Harper in Montreal

As many of you know, the Prime Minister long ago swore off doing press conferences in Ottawa. But he does them fairly regularly whenever he travels. What his office has never done, though, until yesterday, is provide us Ottawa reporters with a transcript of Q & A session with reporters. So, here it is and, there’s just a couple of things to point out: The transcript is prepared by the PMO not by us and so it includes some things we or other journalism organizations would not normally include such as notes where individuals applauded. I also note that all  the speakers do not seem to hem and haw, that their remarks come out fully formed and are almost grammatically perfect. We tend not actually speak that way and most journalists I know at press conference do a lot of hemming and hawing when asking a question so I’d guess that the PMO has done some editing here to make everyone read perhaps better than they actually sounded. Also, as Harper spoke mostly in French, the PMO — not me or CTV — did the translation. I have no reason to believe the translation is inaccurate but I think it’s important you know who’s doing the translating. And while I would normally edit these things before blogging them (mostly for presentation), I have left this one pretty much alone.

So, with that, here it is: Prime Minister Stephen Harper in Montreal answering reporters' questions mostly about the motions before the House of Commons on Quebec and Quebeckers:

PRIME MINISTER’S QUESTION AND ANSWER SESSION IN MONTREAL

(APPLAUSE)

JOURNALIST: Mr. Harper, on the question of recognition of the Quebec nation, we learned this morning that the Bloc québécois is going to support your motion.  I’d like to know how you feel and how comfortable you are knowing that you’ll be entering the House with the support of the Bloc but that in several other parts of Canada, people are displeased with your motion.

RT. HON. STEPHEN HARPER: Well, it’s interesting. This is the third position by the Bloc in three days.  (LAUGHTER) They proposed a motion. They made an amendment to their motion, and now they’re supporting our motion, but I must tell you that the responsibility of the Prime Minister of Canada, the primary responsibility is Canadian unity. If I can have the support of even the Bloc when it comes to Canada’s unity, I’m pleased.  (LAUGHTER, APPLAUSE) But I have…I have to say that this motion, this motion is important. It talks not only about the Quebec nation but about the entire reality of this Quebec nation, as I said when I addressed the House of Commons. That includes the Canadian identity. For over 40 years, two referenda, the Bloc and their Parti québécois allies have been trying to convince les Québécois to be a nation outside Canada, and les Québécois have rejected this because they are proud of their language, of their culture, of the nation, but they are also proud of their historic, current and future role in the development of this country, Canada.  And I think that this motion reflects both these realities, and it’s now up to the Bloc to explain their position and their reason for being in Ottawa.  (APPLAUSE) 

JOURNALIST: In the same vein, Mr. Prime Minister, everyone agrees that your motion has thrown Quebec’s sovereignty movement for a loop. Everyone is saying it – even Jean Lapierre said it – that’s quite a political coup. What is your sense at this point, beyond the symbolic value, that this resolution will now be adopted, and (inaudible)?

RT. HON. STEPHEN HARPER: It’s important to understand the nature of this motion. In a way I have to give the credit to the Bloc québécois, which asked Canada’s Parliament to take a position on les Québécois. They asked for recognition, and now there will be recognition. It’s simple.  This isn’t a constitutional amendment. This isn’t a legal text. It’s simply a statement of recognition, and a gesture of reconciliation.  And I think it’s important, I think it’s important to recognize reality. I know it’s not easy for everyone in Canada, but I think that when you talk about a nation, les Québécois and Québécoises are a group of peoples with an identity, a history, a language, a culture, and all that that means in the vocabulary and the nation. At the same time, I feel it’s important for the rest of the country to correct the unfortunate impression given during the past two decades that people were rejecting the definition of les Québécois, and rejecting les Québécois. This is not true, and it’s important, as I said, for recognition and for reconciliation, and now if the Bloc wants to keep calling for Quebec’s independence, they have to admit that it’s not a question of recognition in Canada.  It’s only a question of independence, and it’s only a question of tearing Canada apart and creating an independent country. And les Québécois have rejected this, even when the sovereignists tried to…appeal to federalists and appeal to the Canadian identity with ideas of partnership association; even then, les Québécois have recognized their Canadian identity.  (APPLAUSE)

JOURNALIST: Mr. Harper, question of the international implications (inaudible) of the motion (inaudible).

RT. HON. STEPHEN HARPER: As I’ve just said, this is not a constitutional amendment or a legal text. It’s an important expression of recognition and national reconciliation.  At the same time, I can tell you that my government has already indicated our capacity and our willingness to recognize this reality in a more specific way when Quebec’s distinctiveness is a real issue, like at UNESCO.  At UNESCO, an international organization that deals with issues of language and culture, this government gave a formal and historic voice to Quebec within the Canadian delegation.  And I think that it’s recognition, this motion, but at the same time this government has indicated and other governments in the past have indicated their intention to…to do more than recognition, but have a flexible federalism that can truly reflect these realities.

JOURNALIST: How do you plan on selling your nationhood project in English Canada, because I don’t know if you’ve been listening to the call-in shows, but there’s anger in English Canada.  They’re accusing you of having given Quebec a gift, a treat.

RT. HON. STEPHEN HARPER: I understand that there are people who will have difficulty with this. But I can see that they’re referring to les Québécois, a group of people. It’s a definition, a group of people with an identity, a culture, a language. That makes a nation.  The Fathers of Confederation spoke in those terms way back when. But this is for national unity. And it’s important.  It’s important to change this impression that the rest of Canada rejects the nature of les Québécois.  And it’s essential because the Bloc québécois asked the House of Commons that the Parliament of Canada take a position on the subject, and I’ve done what I must do as Prime Minister for national unity, for national reconciliation.  At the same time, I can tell the rest of Canada and in particular my friends, my supporters in Western Canada, that I’m not abandoning the things that are important to them, for example Senate reform, more seats for Western Canada in the House of Commons. They remain important priorities for our government.

REPORTER: Prime Minister Harper, on your nation resolution, is this purely a symbolic gesture of is this going to have any legal or constitutional consequences?  Will it open up the round of constitutional debate?   

RT. HON. S
TEPHEN HARPER: Sure.  Well, I think what's important here, you know my view.  I wasn’t secretive about this in the last, in particular in the last year, since I became Prime Minister.  I mean, my preference was the definition of les Québécois be left to the National Assembly, to the Quebec legislature.  But it was the Bloc québécois that ultimately insisted that the Parliament of Canada make this decision, and it was the Bloc québécois that came forward with a resolution that, while flawed, had some important elements to it.  First of all, it didn’t ask for anything for Quebec, which is a legal jurisdiction. 

What it asked was our recognition of les Québécois, which are a group of people, a sociological, a cultural group.  And obviously, you know, that made it much easier to deal with.  But you know, we insist if we are going to have a recognition of a Quebec nation, and I say again, and I know that some people in the rest of Canada will have some difficulty with this but I repeat that, you know, les Québécois are a group of people with a language, a culture, a history and identity, and according to the dictionary definition, that’s, you know, that constitutes in cultural, sociological term a nation.  And our Fathers of Confederation used this kind of terminology quite regularly.  If you look back at what John A. MacDonald said, Georges-Etienne Cartier, they said similar things at the time. 

So I think the motion we put forward, that obviously recognizes the full reality of the Quebec nationhood, not just that Quebec is a nation but it’s a nation within Canada, inextricably linked through its history, through its role in the country today and through the future that we share together, inextricably linked to this country, we believe this is important act, both an act of recognition and an act of reconciliation.  And you know, les Québécois, I think wrongly but nevertheless really, often got the impression in the past generation that the rest of the country was not prepared to recognize who they were.  And this has given us an opportunity to clarify that, and I believe ultimately to reconcile the debate we’ve had in this country, where we can say that we recognize les Québécois for who they are, not just for who they are but for the important role they play in this country.

You know we should never forget, because English is the language of the majority, we often forget that it was French-speaking Canadians that founded Canada.  It was French-speaking Canadians who were the first people to call themselves Canadians; the first group of people who had a vision of a country from coast to coast.  And so as I say, this is an important opportunity, an important opportunity to reconcile ourselves to that reality.  And I think les Québécois will respond to it and I think what it does, you know as I say it's important for national unity.  What it does is it forces the Bloc and the Parti québécois to admit that what they are arguing for is not a recognition or acceptance of Quebec or what Quebec is. 

Far from it; it’s simply a question of independence, of creating an independent country and les Qébécois have said repeatedly, when given a choice between Canada or breaking up Canada, they don’t want to break up Canada.  That's why the separatists have to keep throwing in words like association and partnership to convince people they are not really voting for a break-up because that is not what les Québécois want.  And so I think this is, when Canadians reflect on it, when they see the reaction in Quebec, I think there'll be a comfort level with it.

This is not, as I said before in French, not a constitutional amendment, not a legal text; this is merely a declaration of recognition and an act of reconciliation. And I think it's important for the country and it’s apparently so good for the country that the Bloc québécois wants to jump on the bandwagon now. This is their, as I said earlier, their third position in three days on the issue and I think now they have to explain what their raison d’être is in Ottawa, if they're going to pass a resolution put forward by the Prime Minister that endorses the unity of Canada. (APPLAUSE)

REPORTER: Mr. Prime Minister, André Boisclair, the PQ leader, said yesterday that this will be a tool to basically fuel the fire of sovereignty.  Do you think that's a valid point?

RT. HON. STEPHEN HARPER: No, I don't.  As I said, this government has already shown, independent of this motion, that this government is willing to take the practical governance steps to recognize Quebec's differences and Quebec's specific needs.  That's why, for example, when we dealt with UNESCO, which is an international cultural organization, we gave Quebec an unprecedented role in the Canadian delegation.  So we're already prepared to work, we're working productively with the current government of Quebec, with Mr. Charest. 

We don't need Mr. Boisclair to work productively with the current government of Quebec.  We're able to accommodate Quebec's needs within this country.  I think what this does is precisely the opposite.  It puts out the door once and for all the notion that the rest of the country doesn't accept Quebec for what it is, a French-speaking society.  Well, we do.  We do, we're proud of it.  It's inextricably linked to our history, to our status as a bilingual and a great country.  And so now it's up to Mr. Boisclair and Mr. Duceppe to admit that they're not looking for recognition or for some kind of appreciation.  What they're simply looking for is to break up the best country in the world.  (APPLAUSE)

That, as I say, les Québécois of all parties from Cartier and Laurier to Muroney and Trudeau have worked to build and lead and done so with millions others like them.  And so I think now…sure! They can push for more powers, for more money.  I'm going to bet that every province is going to do that.  (LAUGHTER) I've been in this job long enough to figure out that's what Premiers do.  But they have to explain why they actually have to break up the country, why Quebec's nationhood needs a separate country, because it doesn't.  Because it always has been and will be expressed fully in this country and as part of the Canadian identity les Québécois share, that les Québécois develop, that les Québécois have developed and frankly, if I can say this as well, you know, I understand.

I don't want to belittle Mr. Boisclair, Mr. Duceppe.  You know, I know Mr. Duceppe well.  I've always said I respect Mr. Duceppe.  And I know, I understand, you know, why some people are sovereigntists.  But this world doesn't need more countries.  This world needs more countries like Canada that can reconcile different nationalities and can live peacefully and harmoniously together.

UNIDENTIFIED: Hear, hear! (APPLAUSE)

RT. HON. STEPHEN HARPER: And perhaps I should repeat this because it’s important.  I respect…I recognize that this is a difficult position for Mr. Duceppe.  I respect Mr. Duceppe.  I’ve known Mr. Duceppe for a long time. I know why some Québécois want an independent country. But they have to be frank about their objective. Independent country, not recognition of the Quebec nation within Canada.  We will recognize it clearly. In my opinion, in my opinion, the world doesn’t need more countries. The world needs more countries like Canada, a progressive country that…a progressive country that can unite and that can live in harmony with all the nations of the world, and that, that is important.  (APPLAUSE)

MODERATOR: So this is all the time we have for questions.  The questi
on period is now over. Thank you very much and have a nice day.  Have a good day.  (APPLAUSE)

Bernier on "Environment Myths"

Maxime BernierWith the federal government taking a public relations hit on the environment file, cabinet ministers are talking up their plan, to put their message in front of as many groups as possible. Industry Minister Maxime Bernier (left) did just that this week, departing from the usual stuff that industry ministers talk about, to address his government’s work on environmental issues. I’ve excerpted a portion from his speech below. He gave the speech in Montreal, in a province, not coincidentally, where concern about environmental issues appears to be stronger than in many other provinces. Some pundits have linked falling voter preferences for the Conservatives in Quebec to their stand on environmental issues. So, with that preamble, here’s a chunk of Bernier’s speech — and you’re almost certain to hear some of these lines repeated wherever you may hear any cabinet minister speak over the next week or two:

… I want to dispel three myths that have been taken as truth in the past few months.

Myth number one: Canada has withdrawn from the Kyoto Protocol.

False.

Canada has signed the Protocol. We are counted among the minority of countries that do pay their yearly contributions to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change Secretariat.

We have taken our rightful place in presiding over the table of signatory countries, which, incidentally, are responsible for only 30 percent of global greenhouse-gas emissions.

Canada also works to raise awareness among non-signatory countries, which are responsible for 70 percent of global greenhouse gas emissions.

Canada actively participates in international cooperation efforts against climate change.

However, the day after our election, we told Canadians and our international partners that the Kyoto commitments made by the former government were unattainable.

We are sending the same message to everyone. We tell the truth.

Which brings me to myth number two, that Canada's Kyoto objectives are attainable.

I repeat: It's impossible.

At Kyoto, in December 1997, the former government committed to reducing greenhouse-gas (GHG) emissions to 6 percent below 1990 levels between 2008 and 2012. However, these emissions today are 27 percent higher than 1990 levels.

This commitment was not based on any scientific assessment or any real consultation with industry. The government at that time, if you don't mind my saying so, was simply flying by the seat of its pants.

Moreover, the Commissioner of the Environment and Sustainable Development at the Office of the Auditor General, Johanne Gélinas, published a report showing the Liberal government's total lack of preparation and thoroughness with respect to Kyoto objectives.

The majority of signatory countries had done their homework, but not Canada. Several countries announced at Kyoto in December 1997 that their GHG emissions would go up. They undertook to curb the increase of emissions. Australia, for example, committed to an 8-percent increase. Iceland committed to 10 percent.

It was entirely predictable that Canadian GHG emissions would go up, if only because of oil. We have some of the most plentiful petroleum resources on the planet, and the rest of the world depends on them.

We live in a world that is thirsty for oil. We can't just turn off the tap.

The people who are scolding us today about Kyoto are the same ones who gambled away Canada's reputation. They rolled the dice — and they lost.

And there's more.

In December 2005, the 11th United Nations Climate Change Conference was held here in Montréal. The election was in full swing.

The then-government, and its minister of the Environment, who today is a Liberal leadership candidate, literally duped the international community.

They had in their possession a still-hot Environment Canada report that clearly stated that Canada's Kyoto targets were unattainable.

Continuing to insist that Canada could meet its objectives was nothing more than a con game. That government compromised Canada's long-term reputation for short-term electoral gain.

And that's the long and short of it. While they were carrying on in that farce, others were making progress in the implementation of concrete measures.

While on the subject, I must congratulate the Government of Quebec on its climate change strategy. It is an inspiration for other provinces.

Way to go, Quebec!

We have come to the third myth that I will debunk today, that is, that we are doing nothing to combat climate change.

Again, this is not the case.

To Canada's new government, it is a given that climate change is one of the main challenges facing humanity.

And we are acting responsibly so that Canada can truly face that challenge.

With our first budget, we earmarked $1.3 billion for mass transit.

We introduced tax incentives to encourage Canadians to use public transportation and leave their vehicles at home.

We have set up a system for having an average of 5 percent renewable content in all fuels by 2010.

In October, we tabled the Clean Air Act, which sets out our approach for the coming years.

This act casts a wider net than does the Kyoto Protocol. The Kyoto Protocol only goes after GHGs, which we are doing as well, but we are including in the list of controlled substances several other atmospheric pollutants that are detrimental to people's health.

Salongate — well, almost

Rona AmbroseSome Conservative supporters who have commented at this blog wonder why reporters like me can’t turn the “hairdresser” comments directed at Environment Minister Rona Ambrose (left) into the same kind of media circus that Peter MacKay was subjected to over the alleged dog comment.

Well, we stand ready and willing, of course, but those darn Liberals won’t co-operate. Today, during Question Period, we had our Salongate reporters and anchors all primed for action for there was Liberal John Cannis, the MP for Scarborough Centre, heckling Ambrose with comments that sounded like “she’s too busy at the hair salon to do her job.” We could see Tories like John Baird nearly jumping out of their seat as they pointed across the aisle with an accusatory “A-ha!” Here were Liberals engaging in the same kind of sexist behaviour that they had so high-and-mightily accused their Foreign Affairs Minister of engaging in!

But, unfortunately for all of us who would have been keen to pursue Salongate for the next five days, the Liberals refused to play fair. For as soon as Question Period ended, Cannis hopped to his feet and confessed to the House that he had behaved badly and was sorry. “I … made a comment while the Minister of the Environment was speaking, referring to a hair salon. I wish to withdraw those words. If they were offensive and offended anybody, I wish to apologize..”

But a faint glimmer of hope for those who wish this to dominate our news coverage for the next week: Maybe it wasn’t Cannis! Maybe it was his seatmate, Raymond Bonin, the MP from Nickel Belt, who slurred the Environment Minister. At least that’s what Conservative House Leader Rob Nicholson thought, for he rose to his feet immediately after Cannis apologized, to solemnly accuse Bonin of behaving badly.

“The member for Nickel Belt(‘s) … comment was overheard by my colleagues… saying that she should go back to the hair salon, so they were similar to the comments made by the hon. member for Scarborough Centre. These are sexist comments and an insult to everyone in the chamber and I wonder if he would withdraw those comments as well?”

But Bonin, sadly, is no Cannis.

Mr. Speaker, the member might have heard someone from this area, but I can assure you on my honour that I did not say that.”

And with that, we redeployed our Salongate reporters to the fiscal imbalance.

Same-sex marriage: Here we go again!

My colleague Robert Fife reported yesterday that the same-sex marriage debate will be back on the table in early December. The Conservatives figured that might make the new Liberal leader’s first week on the job a little more fun. The Conservatives promised during the last election plan — and I’ve heard nothing to susggest there’s been any change — involves a two-step process.

First, the government will introduce a motion asking MPs if they wish to re-open the debate on same-sex marriage. The status quo, of course, would be that same-sex marriage in Canada is A-Ok. If a majority of MPs vote ‘No’ –that they do not wish to re-open the SSM debate — then that’s it. It won’t be back on the table in the current Parliament (unless a private members bill gets through but that seems a remote possibility).

If a majority of MPs vote to re-open the debate, then Justice Minister Vic Toews will be charged with drafting legislation that would reverse the Liberal bill, i.e. re-defining marriage to mean a union between two individuals of the opposite sex. If that bill is introduced, it would go — as all bills do — through three votes, at first, second, and third reading.

So: Does it ever get to a third reading? Not a chance. It won’t even get by that first stage. A majority of MPs — I am boldly predicting — will vote against the idea of even re-opening the debate. Why do I think this way? Both Bloc Quebecois and NDP MPs will be ‘whipped’ to vote against the idea. MPs will risk the wrath of their leaders if they vote to re-open the debate. So that’s as many as 79 votes against right off the bat. Not all Conservative MPs will vote to re-open the debate. Harper has promised a ‘free vote’ to every MP, including cabinet members, on this issue. My rough guess is that of the 124 Tory MPs in the House — a maxiumum of 110, and possibly fewer, vote to re-open the debate. So now, it’s 110 to 79 to re-open the debate. A majority is 154. So how do the 101 Liberal MPs in the House vote? Does a new Liberal leader whip them? Will it be a free vote for the Libs? If it is free vote, Liberals will vote either way but I see a maximum of about 30 Liberals voting with the Tories on this one.

So — final score on this one, if everyone shows up: Yays: 140. Nays: 168. End of SSM debate for this Parliament.

 

 

Garth ain't goin' back

Garth TurnerThose of us in the Parliamentary Press Gallery wondered, in the wake of Garth Turner's departure from the Conservative caucus, if Turner would one day ask to be taken back or,  if and when a tight vote might be coming up, the caucus might ask Garth (left) if there was a way he might come home. Well, I've only been in Ottawa now for a little more than 18 months, but even with my rookie radar I'd be willing to bet that with the following comments — taken from Turner's blog — Turner is pretty much putting any “return-to-Caucus” speculation to rest:

In my first private meeting with Harper he shocked me with his demeaning and insulting tone. My criticism of his hypocritical decision to put a floor-crossing Liberal in cabinet created the first crisis. My dismay at our lack of an effective climate change strategy in the failed green plan created the last. And in between I was appalled to discover that the legendary intolerance and narrow views of the Reform Party were at the heart of the new Conservative party, while the prairie populism, respect for the grassroots and empowerment that Preston Manning had stood for had vanished.

So, my libertarian, Progressive Conservative, democracy-loving ass was in the wrong caucus.

But no more. And now, as each day passes, it becomes more apparent that I will actually be a better MP for being an Indie.

Huge amounts of time are spent by party MPs each week sitting in party meetings devoid of policy debate. Countless more hours are devoted to filling chairs in committee rooms, where the outcome of almost every meeting has been pre-determined by the government. And the rest of Ottawa time is largely spent sitting in QP where Tory MPs are expected to clap, but dare not ask tough questions, if any.

If most voters dropped in and spent a day with these guys, they’d be floored. Only now am I realizing how much wasted time passes for important, as I find many extra hours to talk to constituents, deal with their issues and do some independent work on those things that matter to me. I’m rediscovering what it means to be a member of Parliament, and what it must have been like before MPs were turned into high-priced support staff. I get to think. And I like it. A lot.

London Free Press: Tory candidate shushed up

The London Free Press reports that newly-minted Conservative candidate for the federal by-election in London North Centre is, all of a sudden, not talking to the media. Diane Haskett, a former mayor of London who some believe could be a controversial candidate, won her party’s nomination on Tuesday night.

Since then, the Free Press reports,

“…[she has] cancelled radio interviews … scheduled and… cancelled a TV interview. The short-notice cancellation vexed CJBK-AM host Steve Garrison and staff at CBC Ontario Morning, who had to scramble to find replacements. No new dates were promised.

“She's being muzzled and told not to talk to local media,” said Garrison, who got five minutes' notice… that his pre-arranged 8:20 a.m. live interview was off.

Local CBC representative Gary Ennett said he got a voice-mail message … cancelling a 7:15 a.m. live interview. The reason given was “she had another scheduled appointment,” Ennett said.

Still later, staff at CTV's Mike Duffy Live were told Haskett wouldn't be available until tomorrow.”

I just checked with the producers on MDL and she still hasn’t been on the show. Incidentally, Ryan Sparrow — well-known to the Ottawa Press Gallery for his work as Environment Minister Rona Ambrose’s Associate Director of Communications and, before that, as a communications person in the Opposition Leader’s Office, has taken on the job of handling Haskett’s communications for the campaign.

[A tip of my black beret to Cerberus]

What's all the barking about?

The Liberals — ever helpful 🙂 — have generously freed up some space on their Web server to host an audio-taped recording of the now infamous “dog” exchange between Liberal MP David McGuinty and Foreign Affairs Minister Peter MacKay.

There is an MP3 audio version of the file and a video version for Windows Media Player.

I suggest the video version. The Liberals have added subtitles. Unless you know exactly what you’re looking for, it’s hard to hear the exchange on the audio file. Environment Minister Rona Ambrose had the floor at the time of the exchange and, under House broadcasting rules, the camera was required to be focused only on her and only her desk microphone would have been ‘hot’. The microphone, then, picking up the exchange would have been hers.

MacKay sits one row forward from Rona and four seats or so to her left. McGuinty is almost straight across the aisle from MacKay but in the fourth row.

 

Belinda on a point of order

At the conclusion of the daily Question Period in the House of Commons, Belinda Stronach, Liberal MP for the Newmarket-Aurora, rose on a point of order. This excerpt is courtesy of the Question Period “Blues” — which is the ‘rush’ transcript provided by Parliamentary staff. The ‘official’ Hansard transcript may be slightly different:

Hon. Belinda Stronach (Newmarket—Aurora, Lib.) :
Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. Standing Order 18 reads as follows:
No Member shall speak disrespectfully of the Sovereign, nor of any of the Royal Family, nor of the Governor General or the person administering the Government of Canada; nor use offensive words against either House, or against any Member thereof. No Member may reflect upon any vote of the House, except for the purpose of moving that such vote be rescinded.

Yesterday during question period the Minister of Foreign Affairs used a very inappropriate word to describe me. This is not the first time he and his party have revealed their true colours regarding respect for women in politics and how chilling this behaviour is for those women who contemplate entering politics.

For that, Mr. Speaker, I simply ask that the Minister of Foreign Affairs apologize to this House.

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The Speaker :
As I indicated yesterday when this matter was raised, the news of these statements is something that is new to me because I did not hear the comments or see any of the gestures that are alleged to have taken place.

My staff have carefully reviewed the audio tapes of question period and the written transcript of Hansard which I myself have seen and of course there is no reference to these words in either. So, I am unable to confirm any of the suggestions that have been made. I know several members say they have heard these remarks.

In the circumstances there is nothing further I can do at this time. Obviously there may be further submissions on this point later.

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Ms. Judy Wasylycia-Leis (Winnipeg North, NDP) :
Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. To make matters worse, during question period when I was asking a very serious question about the demeaning and sexist actions of one member of the Conservative benches, a member over here on the back bench of the Conservatives, I believe the member for Cypress Hills—Grasslands was heard to say “stop whining”.

I find that offensive and contrary to the spirit of this chamber. It makes a bad situation worse.
I hope now that we will have apologies from this government on all sides, specifically with respect to that remark about whining, when we are raising a very serious matter that affects the women of this country and the members from all sides in this place.

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Hon. Jay Hill (Prince George—Peace River, CPC) :
Mr. Speaker, I would state, as the Parliamentary Secretary to the Prime Minister did on many occasions during question period today, that I think it is incumbent upon all of us and I know that I have worked hard over the past number of months with my whip colleagues from all three of the opposition parties to try and restore some additional decorum to the House and to work with you, Mr. Speaker.

Certainly that is the action that we are endeavour to take. I am sure all the other parties would like to see greater decorum in the House. We are committed to that.

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The Speaker :
The opportunities for the Chair to intervene in respect of language used in the House, as hon. members know, are limited. We do enjoy freedom of speech in this House. Members are free to say what they want within fairly wide limits and the Chair enforces those broad limits.

The list of language that is unparliamentary is relatively short. Obviously words can be used in ways that are considerably impolite or improper in respect of other members. It may result in intervention by the Chair in certain circumstances.

I caution all hon. members to bear in mind that we do enjoy freedom of speech in this House. Members ought to conduct themselves in ways that are in accordance with the high expectations that Canadians have in members in electing them to serve in this place.

While I cannot hear everything that is said, especially when a lot of people are speaking at one time, I would urge hon. members to show proper caution in their use of language in the House and decent respect to each other because we are all elected to serve in this place, even though we may have differing political opinions.

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Mr. David McGuinty (Ottawa South, Lib.) :
Mr. Speaker, in your remarks a moment ago you said you were not in a position having had your staff examine both the transcript and the audio tape.

On this side of the House at least a dozen Liberal members heard the comment. May I respectfully suggest or submit to the Chair that in this case, given the particularly egregious breach of parliamentary conduct by a minister of the Crown, that the tape in question be sent out to a professional audio house, at which point the tape can then be examined more closely and we can actually look more closely to see whether in fact the Minister of Foreign Affairs made the comments when he scurrilously referred to a member of Parliament on this side of the house as a dog.

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The Speaker :
I am getting tired of this one. The hon. member for Mississauga South.

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Mr. Paul Szabo (Mississauga South, Lib.) :
Mr. Speaker, in matters where there have been questions of whether or not something occurred, those matters have been referred to the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs where the committee can call persons who would know. Certainly persons sitting in the proximity of the Minister of Foreign Affairs would be able to answer the question on behalf of the House.

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The Speaker :
Members can move motions to refer matters to the committee should they choose to do so. It is not for the chair to move motions in this House referring matters to committee. On a question of privilege, I may be able to do so. We have not had a question of privilege in this case. We have had points of order in respect of this case. It would not be for the chair to suggest that motions are the way to resolve those matters. That is not something in my jurisdiction.

Don't take my word for it — read the Clean Air stuff for yourself!

Lots and lots of airtime and digital ink today about the Conservative Green Plan. But before you read the spin from both sides, have a gander at what’s been tabled in the House of Commons today. The key document is the “Notice of Intent”, an official notice which lets everyone know that regulations are on the way. It won’t take long to read — maybe 15 or 20 minutes. The Tories hold this document up as evidence that they are doing something right now right away. Their opponents say it’s vague and is nothing but evidence of more footdragging and delay.

The government has also published a document called “Why Do We Need the Clean Air Act?” (The first Clean Air Act, incidentally, was passed into law in 1971).

And, of course, there is the press release announcing all this.