Baird on CTV's Question Period

On CTV's Question Period today, co-host Craig Oliver asked Environment Minister John Baird about his doom-and-gloom forecast if Canada commits to meeting its obligations under the Kyoto Protocol:

Oliver: Canadians can be forgiven if they don't know exactly who to believe on this issue. Disaster, if we do, disaster if we don’t. We're joined by the Minister of the Environment, John Baird. Mr. Baird, looked to me like you've built in assumptions and then, basically, you got exactly the report you wanted.
Baird: We took the Liberal private member's bill and said, if we wanted to strictly follow the bill, the letter of the law, we'd have to, we'd have to set in various measures that would begin to meet the targets in eight months. But people don't realize is Kyoto actually kicks in 2008. It's an average between '08 and 2012, and the reality is the Liberals seem to be, and Stephane Dion seems to be trying to replace ten years of bad environmental policy with ten years of bad economic policy.
Oliver:: But you know, this is now Sunday afternoon. You've had the weekend to think about it. Reaction in the country doesn't seem to be over the top. But it seems that your report, wouldn't you admit, was a trifle over the top? I mean, recession?
Baird: I think if you look at the economists who validated the report, one of them came out and said maybe he was a little bit light, it could have been worse than what he had signed off on. The reality is that the choice is not between Kyoto strictly adhered to or doing nothing. We'll come forward with a tough approach, a balanced approach, a approach that will allow us to make meaningful cuts in the greenhouse gases that are harmful, destroying the planet, and also being cognizant of keeping Canadians working.
Oliver:: Now obviously this Liberal plan that you said would lead to the kind of economic disaster that you claimed it would, if it became law, would be unacceptable to the government. You would have to make this a no-confidence vote if it ever went in to the house, correct?
Baird: Well, it's already cleared the house, and it's being debated in the senate now.
Oliver:: If it came back from the senate.
Baird: The report is a little bit too cute by half. What it requires is what passed into law is that the government would have 60 days to study it. Then they would send it off to the National Roundtable on the Environment and the Economy for more study, and it would come back to the house for further debate. We're not going to wait for the senate to act. We’ve already been rolling out a really ambitious agenda to reduce harmful greenhouse gases.
Oliver:: So that bill is never going to see the light of day?
Baird: Well, we'll see what the senate does.
Oliver:: You’re not going to bring it in.
Baird: We'll have to obey the law, but we've brought forward the plan that the bill calls for, and the Liberals don't have a plan. That’s why they asked us to develop one under their criteria for them. The reality is that there was no cost to implementing the protocol, and the Liberals would have done it years ago. You know, Dalton McGuinty, Buzz Hargrove, you know, virtually everyone in the country acknowledges there'll be a substantial cost. I think Canadians are prepared to pay. Canadian industry will have to contribute, but it'll be done in a balanced and meaningful way.
Oliver:: What about C-30 by the way? There's the other bill, which originally started as a government bill, the clean air act, and then was added to when you made a deal with the NDP for a short time. Is that bill ever going to see the light of day? Will that ever come into the Commons?
Baird: We'll see. Jack Layton, I think, tried to make the Parliament work by saying, listen, if we debate this bill right off the go before it was even debated in the house. We sent it to committee. You know, Conservatives on the committee supported amendments from all three of the opposition parties, but the Liberals together with the Bloc Quebecois really didn’t, weren’t particularly cooperative. They put the Liberal campaign platform into the bill, which is not even compliant with Kyoto to begin with.
Oliver:: When are we going to find out what your plan is? We've heard enough about Liberal plan, NDP plan. When are we going to finally find out what you're promoting?
Baird: Well, we've put a lot of initiatives on the table, programs, things in the budget. Things like transportation. Things like car strategy. Things like renewable energy. We also have brought forward a partnership with the provinces. We've got all the provinces now rolling together towards cleaner air and reducing greenhouse gases. The final part will be the industrial emissions strategy. We're going to be for the first time in Canada regulating industry.
Oliver:: When?
Baird: And we'll be coming forward very shortly with that.
Oliver:: I've been hearing “very shortly” since the beginning of March.
Baird: Well we're just about done. I mean this is, this is the most ambitious regulation I think any federal government has ever done. We’re going to regulate the entire industrial sector for both greenhouse gases and for our pollution. We want to make sure it's tough.
Oliver:: Why can't you give us a date?
Baird: We'll be coming forward with it very shortly, Craig, and we'll invite you to come.
Oliver:: Okay. Now, essentially though, it looks to me like you're not ready to make any major compromise, and neither are the Liberals, on how we approach global warming, so basically we're going to eventually go into an election campaign, whenever that is, with two different versions or Canadians are going to have to decide. This is going to be little bit like the free trade debate. Would you say that's true, and would you welcome that?
Baird: I would hope, I would hope long before an election is held that our industrial regulatory strategy is unveiled and is working for Canadians. I think it would be wrong to simply punt it off to the next parliament. We're going to act. You know industry has been fighting tough regulation for years, and being very successful with the Liberals. Environmentalists want perfection. Do you know what? The debate is about to end. The Canadian government's going to act.
Oliver:: Let me finally ask you something that's a little bit away, quite a ways away from what you're discuss, but you're a friend of the Prime Minister and one of his ministers. What about this image consultant who's also said to be a psychic? What's going on there? What do you think of that?
Baird: Well, it's, it's absurd. It's absolutely ludicrous to think that the Prime Minister would have an image consultant or a psychic on staff. That's simply silly. He wouldn't waste his own money, let alone the taxpayers' money on that. What this woman does is she's part of his tour team, a hard-working tour team. Every Prime Minister has had a tour team. In fact, the Prime Minister's is actually smaller than his recent predecessors, and I just think it's silly season here in Ottawa.
Oliver:: Okay, Mr. Baird, thank you.
Baird: Good to be here.
Oliver:: And we look forward to very soon. We've been hearing very soon for so many weeks. I don't know how you put a time on very soon.
Baird: Well it will be shortly, short order.

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Montreal paper asks if it's green enough

Neat idea in The Montreal Gazette this morning. The newspaper looks at its own operation and grades itself on its own sustainability footprint. Reporter Marian Scott has a long piece inside the paper about her own paper and the newspaper business generally:

…we looked at every aspect of our business: printing, distribution, advertising sales and newsgathering.
We checked the heating bills for our printing plant and downtown office and counted everything from newsprint – 15,000 metric tonnes this year – to the 61,500 Styrofoam cups used in our coffee machines. What did we learn? The biggest part of our footprint – by far – is paper.

The newsprint in one year’s worth of The Gazette consumes the equivalent of 186,816 trees.

To produce that much newsprint uses enough energy to heat 2,472 homes for a year and enough water to fill 272 swimming pools, and emits as much carbon dioxide (C02) as 1,500 cars.

The paper’s publisher Alan Allnutt says in a letter to readers that this public self-assessment is the beginning of  process that he plans to continue to reduce his paper’s impact on the environment:

Already, we have found that we – and the whole newspaper industry – have come a long way over the past couple of decades. A share of the newsprint The Gazette uses is made of recycled paper and the rest is made from wood chips that are a byproduct of the lumber industry – the trees are not cut down solely to be ground into pulp. The mills that produce our newsprint are state-of-the-art. Our own printing plant, which we opened in Notre Dame de Grace five years ago, is continually making environmental improvements, from using vegetable-based inks to steadily decreasing energy use.

Our product, the daily newspaper, is recycled in growing amounts in Montreal.

Still, further improvements in all these areas are inevitable. Increasing use of online versions of newspapers, like the digital Gazette, will help.

There are other parts of our operation where we don't do nearly as well as we'd like. We're an information business, and it's clear in our offices that the dream of a paperless society has not come true. We have recycling bins everywhere, but we shouldn't be using all the paper that ends up in them. As of this week, company policy will require everyone to do double-sided printing and copying whenever and wherever possible.

The delivery of the paper is heavily dependent on vehicles, and while it will be harder to find a solution to that, we know that education of our distributors and carriers will be a good first step.

We are, after all, in the same boat as everyone else: We have to balance our desire to do better on the environmental front with our need to prosper as a business – providing a vital service to our readers, as well as jobs for our employees. We do believe, however, that becoming a greener, more environmentally sustainable operation will be good both for society and for business.

 

Snowmobiling: Do it now …

… cuz those trail networks are slowly going to disappear. So says the latest report from the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. The report will be released Friday but I (like tons of reporters around the world) got look at a final draft.

Here’s the story I wrote:

Canada's claim to be The Great White North may be in jeopardy, says a report to be released Friday by the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

In the second of a series of four reports it is releasing this year, the IPCC paints a picture of a Canada that will be, by and large, increasingly milder and wetter this century.

 

Engineering their own defeat

A few days ago I signed up at Facebook and wondered here how I might find it useful. Well, here’s one useful reason to be there: Many of the people I cover are there. Here’s Liberal MP Mark Holland, for example, writing on Facebook live from the C-30 (Clean Air Act) committee meeting room with his thoughts on how work on that bill is going; how the Conservatives might engineer their own defeat on it; and how it seems the Bloc might be caving a bit …

Some people were unclear about why C-30 would lead to an election – I should be clearer. We will amend the act in committee with the support of other opposition parties – make it pro-Kyoto and basically totally rewrite it. The Conservatives will then declare it an 'economy killer' and say that if the House passes it, it is a vote of no-confidence in the government. We and the other opposition parties can't give up our commitment to Kyoto so we will have to support it – down goes the government. Just my theory…however in a new development, the Bloc are refusing to work with any of our or the NDP amendments. I think they are avoiding strengthening C-30 so that it stays the government bill. They will then support it as a first step, saying that they want more but can accept C-30 as a start. They are using the argument of territoriality as shielding. In short – they are letting the Conservatives have their weak and meaningless C-30 generally as it was presented to avoid them using it as an election starter. I still think we will go to the polls in spring but maybe not on C-30 now… we’ll have to see how the week plays out and if the Bloc turn around to working with us to make C-30 a real plan to deal with climate change.

UPDATE: Holland has updated his Facebook comment,  removing the section above about the Bloc Quebecois. He now says the Bloc Quebecois seems to co-operating more fully with the other Opposition parties. His comment from committee now reads:

Some people were unclear about why C-30 would lead to an election – I should be clearer. We will amend the act in committee with the support of other opposition parties – make it pro-Kyoto and basically totally rewrite it. The Conservatives will then declare it an 'economy killer' and say that if the House passes it, it is a vote of no-confidence in the government. We and the other opposition parties can't give up our commitment to Kyoto so we will have to support it – down goes the government. Just my theory…C-30 sits until 9:30pm tonight so we should have a better sense of things by the time the night is out.

Biz mag names its Top 10 'green' giants

Suncor Energy, one of the biggest operators in Canada’s oil sands (and, as a result, one of the country’s biggest generators of the greenhouse gas emissions that cause global warming) has been named as one of the “10 Green Giants” by Fortune Magazine.

Fortune wrote: “In a survey of 23 global oil companies last year, Jantzi Research, a Canadian consultancy, named Suncor a top performer, noting its environmental and greenhouse-gas management programs. Specifically, it has improved emissions intensity (the amount of oil it extracts per ton of greenhouse gases emitted) 25 percent since 1990. Ditto for energy, sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide. Suncor is part of an initiative to develop carbon-capture techniques. And while Suncor hopes to double its production by 2012, its water management is so advanced that it expects to draw no additional water from Alberta's Athabasca River.”

Alcan, another Canadian company, also made the list.

“..the company has been able to reduce its greenhouse-gas output by 25 percent since 1990, while production increased 40 percent. Alcan's latest goal is to install a high-capacity process that increases energy efficiency by as much as 20 percent and lowers emissions.”

The other “Green Giants” are Honda, Continental Airlines, Tesco, PG&E, S.C.Johnson, Goldman Sachs, Swiss Re, and Hewlett-Packard.

 

Northern Manitoba town will ban plastic bags

GThe northern Manitoba town of Leaf Rapids will prohibit retailers from using single-use plastic bags. The ban will go into effect on April 2. Here’s part of the press release being issued by InStore Products Ltd., a Mississauga, Ont. company that makes those green re-useable shopping cart bins (left)you often see some grocery store shoppers use.

“…By-Law 462, which will be implemented on April 2nd states that retailers will no longer be permitted to give away or sell plastics shopping bags that are intended for single use. The town of Leaf Rapids is the first town in Canada to do so.

With this important environmental announcement, the town will set precedent and send a message to other Canadian cities that we need to collectively raise awareness on this topic and take a more proactive role in preserving our landscape. Leaf Rapids is taking a huge step towards recognizing and responding to the detrimental impact that plastic bags have on the environment.”

Here’s some background on this issue published in the Winnipeg Free Press last fall:

Leaf Rapids giving free cloth bags to residents
September 2, 2006
By Jason Bell

Leaf Rapids town leaders figure the fight against pollution is in the bag.

The northern Manitoba community has stepped up its municipal recycling program by giving away free cloth grocery bags in an effort to phase out the use of plastic bags.

There are about 700 cloth bags available — that's more than each of approximately 550 residents in the community 150 kilometres northwest of Thompson.

The Town of Leaf Rapids has also implemented a levy on plastic shopping bags — three pennies per bag — paid right at the grocery store checkout. It's a program used by some communities in Europe and the United States, but it's a brand new concept in Canada.

“The idea is not to make money. The idea is to reduce the use of these bags,” said Bond Ryan, Leaf Rapids' municipal administrator. “The hope is that we can greatly reduce the amount of bags flying around (as litter) and in our landfill.”

Leaf Rapids usually spends about $5,000 annually to clean up bags that blow out of the dump.

The town is also buying plastic bags from residents for one cent and then sending them off to be recycled.  

 

Now playing: Van Morrison – All Saints Day

Conservatives' secret meeting with Calgary's oil and gas sector

On September 28, Indian Affairs Minister Jim Prentice, Natural Resources Minister Gary Lunn, and then Environment Minister Rona Ambrose held a secret closed-door meeting with the country’s most powerful oil-and-gas executives. The next day, I filed an Access to Information request with the appropriate federal  government departments to get “memos, e-mail messages, telephone logs, etc.” and other records held by the government that related to those meetings.

Some of those records were recently released to me and here’s some of the excerpts:

  • The purpose of the meeting was to give oil and gas executives “an advance briefing” on the Conservatives Clean Air Act, which was not unveiled by Ambrose until after Thanksgiving break, more than two weeks later. Ambrose led the meeting with the oil and gas execs, running through a PowerPoint slide deck laying out the government’s plan.
  • At all times throughout the document, the bureaucrats advising Lunn talk about intensity-based targets and not absolute caps. Environmental activists argue that Canada should, like the rest of the signatories to the Kyoto Protocol set absolute targets and not simply reduce the ‘per-barrel’ amount of pollution.
  • The government wanted to give industry leaders a heads-up on their plans “to provide clarity to industry and help avoid stranded investments.”
  • Oil and gas executives were told that the goverment’s environmental regulations would
    • “incorporate flexible compliance mechanisms, including self-supporting market mechanisms that are not reliant up on taxpayer dollars.”
    • …[provide] industry the flexibility to choose the most cost-effective way to meet the emissions targets.
  • Ambrose outlined the consultation timelines:
    • By Spring 2007 – Set down guiding principles for the regulatory process and the approach to target-setting
    • By end of 2008 – Detailed consultations on sector-specific targets and timelines with pre-publication of the first sectoral regulations in Canada Gazette Part I
    • By 2010 – Proposed regulations published in Canada Gazette Part II and start consultations on the next set of draft regulations.
  • “A core group of Ministers would like to meet directly with CEOs on a regular basis. Ministerial direction will guide overall consultation processes.”

We don’t yet have the list of those who attended the meeting but we do have the list of the 28 who were invited. I think it would be fair to assume that, given the importance of the regulations to their various businesses, the invited CEOs probably attended or, at the every least, sent a very senior person in their organization to attend in their place. Here’s a partial list:

  • Harold Kvisle, Trans Canada Corp.
  • Patrick Daniel, Enbridge Inc.
  • Randy Eresman, Encana Corp.
  • Clive Mather, Shell Canada
  • Rick George, Suncor Energy
  • Jim Carter, Syncrude Canada
  • Tim Hearn, Imperial Oil
  • Ron Brenneman, Petro-Canada
  • Charlie Fischer, Nexen
  • John Lau, Husky Energy
  • William Andrew, Penn West Energy Trust
  • Brent Smolik, Conoco Philips Canada
  • Doug Haughey, Duke Energy Gas Transmission
  • Steve Snyder, TransAlta
  • Murray Edwards, Canadian Natural Resources Ltd.

 

 

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The Sixth Priority?

Anyone look at the Prime Minister’s Web site recently? At the top, underneath the banner with Harper’s picture, there has always been five ‘tabs’ representing the government’s five priorities: Accountability, Lower Taxes, Crime, Child Care, and Health Care.

But today, we noticed, there’s a new sixth tab: Environment.

The hyperlinks for all those tabs take you to another section within the PM’s Web site. But the hyperlink underneath the Environment tab takes you to the federal government’s ‘EcoAction’ Web site — a section that has a ‘newish’ feel to me to be run by the Department of Natural Resources. Lots of info under the slogan “Using Less. Living Better.”

 

 

 

 

 

Committee Notes: C-30 Clean Air Act – Boyd

Some selected excerpts from evidence given to the House of Commons Legislative Committee on Bill C-30 (The Clean Air Act). THis is from Meeting No. 4 of this committee held on Feb. 6, 2007:

Mr. David Boyd, Adjunct Professor, Policy, University of British Columbia:

 I want to mention the current government's proposal to use intensity-based targets. Intensity-based targets are inherently a fraudulent approach to climate change. They simply endorse and entrench the status quo, as business is consistently improving the efficiency with which they produce goods and services. The problem with an intensity-based approach is simply that it allows total emissions to continue rising, and total emissions are what we need to keep our eye on. …

When I read through Bill C-30, I see precious little in terms of new tools for addressing climate change. I'm left scratching my head about what it actually adds to the Canadian Environmental Protection Act, and I'm concerned that, for minimal benefits, the Clean Air Act creates substantial risks.

The majority of experts and economists agree that the most effective and efficient means of addressing the market's failure to internalize greenhouse gas emissions is a carbon tax, a tax on the sale of fossil fuels based on their carbon content. …

Carbon taxes offer numerous advantages. … Carbon taxes are comprehensive. They cover the entire economy. They are widely regarded as the most efficient policy approach. They're transparent. They're administratively simple and they're less likely to cause energy price volatility than a cap and trade system. As well, the revenues generated by a carbon tax could be returned to the public in various ways to ensure the tax is not a new tax but is revenue neutral. Finally, carbon taxes have a proven track record of success in Europe. …

I note that the four top nations (Switzerland, Sweden, Finaldn, and Denmark – ed.) in the World Economic Forum's rankings of economic competitiveness this year have carbon taxes, and all of those nations ranked ahead of Canada on the competitiveness scale.

…Concluding on a couple of brief notes, regarding the provisions of Bill C-30 that deal with the Motor Vehicle Fuel Consumption Standards Act, that law has been on the books for 25 years and should come immediately into force.

    You should also know that in 2010, even if Canadian motor vehicle manufacturers comply with the current voluntary agreement, Canadian fuel efficiency will still lag behind Europe, Japan, Australia, California, and China—yes, China.
 
…Mr. Nathan Cullen:

    When the government has been asked for their plan for climate change, they've held aloft Bill C-30 as their plan and said, this is the plan. In an international context, what type of credibility would Canada have presenting a plan like Bill C-30 as the initiative that Canada is willing to undertake in the global effort to fight global warming?

Mr. David Boyd:

    I can give you a short answer to that question, Mr. Cullen. The answer would be zero. Bill C-30, as it currently stands, offers no comfort to anyone in Canada or elsewhere that Canada is going to change course and begin taking this challenge seriously….

 
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Mr. Nathan Cullen:

    For Canadians watching this debate and listening to this go back and forth in Parliament, we are amongst the greatest laggards in the world with one of the most difficult targets, and we have in front of us a so-called plan, a bill, that would gain us no international credibility whatsoever. Is that true? Have I summed it up?

Mr. David Boyd:

    You've summed it up correctly, and I think this committee…. That's why I made my first point. It was recognizing that it's simply not feasible for Canada to meet that 6% target in such a short amount of time. We have to think of global warming as a marathon, not a sprint. Canada is like someone who has talked about running a marathon for years without ever doing any training. For us to try to run one would inevitably cause severe injury.
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Mr. Brian Jean:

    I'm wondering, Professor, how would you grade the government's action from 1993 to 2005? What kind of grade would you give them on their adherence to their own finish line plan?

Mr. David Boyd:
    I'd give them an F. But I'd also like to respond to your question to Mr. Erasmus to clarify that everything you pointed out that the government is able to do on indoor air and bio-monitoring, in terms of reporting on pollution to Canadians, already exists under the Canadian Environmental Protection Act as it stands. You don't need Bill C-30 to do that….
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Kyoto bill passes

Bill C-288, An Act to ensure Canada meets its global climate change obligations under the Kyoto Protocol, passed third reading in the House of Commons last night.

The vote was along party lines — with Conservatives voting nay and every other party voting yea. Prime Minister Harper was absent for the vote.

The chief paragraph from the act — “

5. (1) Within 60 days after this Act comes into force and not later than May 31 of every year thereafter until 2013, the [Government] shall prepare a Climate Change Plan . . .
The bill is now off to the Senate where it must go through three readings and then we will learn when the 60 day clock starts and whether or not the Government will pay any heed to the act.
Mark Warawa, the Conservative MP from Langley who is also the Parliamentary Secretary to to the Minister of the Environment, calls this a “mischief bill.”