The right wing of the blogosphere has been positively bursting with indignation since Liberal MP Mark Holland appeared on a talk radio show and said something about Alberta’s oil sands. Bloggers are indignant because a) The Liberals are Proposing To Nationalize the Oil Sands and b) the Mainstream Media are aiding their Liberal friends by ignoring this story! Indeed, many readers of this blog have sent me personal e-mails asking me Just What’s Going On?
Well, I’m afraid I’m unqualifed to answer b) above (and, besides, would you believe me if I did?) but several reporters did gather around Holland, who is his party’s Natural Resources Critic, outside the House of Commons yesterday to ask him about his plan to Nationalize the Oil Sands. Here are the questions — put to him by several reporters — and here are his responses:
REPORTER: Your comments made a lot of people out west nervous. Are you willing to say now that you did or did not mean nationalizing the oil industry?
HOLLAND: I absolutely didn't mean that, and that's a complete twist and perversion of what I said. What I said was that everybody has to be part of the solution here. And I'm talking about industry in Ontario, I'm talking about industry in Quebec, I'm talking about industry in Alberta, that we all need to be part of the solution and work collaboratively. And any attempts to mischaracterize that is crass and political.
Holland was asked about this ‘crass and political’ mischaracterization:
HOLLAND: There's been an enormous amount of manipulation of this, including from the Premier of Alberta, and it's verym very political. I mean, what they're trying to do is to get it so that no one can even talk about limiting the oil sands expansion. But look, if we're serious about climate change, then we're going to have to talk about the oil sands, and we're going to have to talk about all large final emitters. And the reality is unfettered growth in the oil sands, unfettered growth of any large industry, is unacceptable. And let's also take a look at what Albertans are saying. They don't have the infrastructure. They have labour shortages. They're concerned about water quality. They're concerned about environmental degradation. And if there's a five-time increase in the oil sands expansion, just imagine where those issues are. So Albertans themselves are concerned about this, and we all have a responsibility to manage and utilize our resources responsibly.
REPORTER: You want to limit the growth in the oil sands?
HOLLAND: No, what I think we need to do is to take, as we've said with all large final emitters, that we need to have caps. And the Prime Minister himself has talked about this, and there hasn't been an outrageous reaction to that. That there has to be caps in terms of the degree of emissions that can be pumped into the atmosphere. And that multiplying the oil sands [production] 4.6 times, [as] the Finance Minister said in China, or as Gary Lunn has said, the Minister of Natural Resources, four to five times expansion, by 2015, would blast apart all of our greenhouse gas emissions. And that all large final emitters have a responsibility to ensure that the emissions that they are putting out there do not destroy our ability to reduce emissions.
REPORTER: Do you want to cap growth in the oil sands?
HOLLAND: No, what we're doing right now is we have the Natural Resources Committee making a series of recommendations on how to deal with the oil sands specifically, and we have C-30 [the Clean Air Act] to deal with the issue more broadly of how to regulate emissions for large final emitters. What I would like to see is for large final emitters, and for the oil sands, recommendations to be brought forward concurrently. But certainly me taking a formal position in advance of that committee having the opportunity to put forward its proposals would be premature. What I am saying is that five times expansion of the oil sands is inappropriate and would blast apart all of our emissions targets…. And what we have to ask is that it's incredibly disingenuous of the Prime Minister, on the one hand, to say that he cares about climate change, and on the other hand to talk about expanding the oil sands by five times when we know if he does that it makes it absolutely impossible, even by 2020, to have any reductions of any kind.
Holland represents an Ontario riding, Ajax-Pickering, right next door to General Motors giant manufacturing plant in Oshawa. He was asked if the auto industry, too, ought to be capped.
HOLLAND: Absolutely. I would say the same thing of the five times expansion of just about any industry, unless they were going to be willing to put technologies in place to control their emissions. Look, every industry in Canada, I don't care where it is or what it's doing, has a responsibility to ensure that their growth is appropriate, it's managed, and that we don't have emissions pouring out from those industries that are going to blast apart our ability to meet our international commitments.
REPORTER: Do you think that growth in the oil sands is inappropriate?
HOLLAND: I think that growth in the oil sands that would result in greenhouse gas emissions that would negate our ability to meet our international commitments is not acceptable.
REPORTER: How popular do you think this position will make you in Alberta?
HOLLAND: I think the position will be very popular because I think that Albertans want to make sure that their resource is managed appropriately. I'm hearing from a lot of Albertans who are very concerned about water quality, who are concerned about lack of infrastructure, who are concerned about environmental degradation, and concerned about the rate at which that resource is utilized, wanting to make sure that it's there for a long time. So there's a lot of Albertans who share these concerns, and I think that they're asking the question of why. Why would anybody talk about multiplying this by five times, or 4.6 times? And they recognize as well that all industries, whether or not it's in Ontario in the auto sector, or whether or not it's in Alberta in the oil sands, that every industry has a responsibility to ensure that their greenhouse gas emissions do not obliterate our international commitments on climate change.